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We all fell in love with EC at the webcam. Oh, he's cool.

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Well, I think we should start the record, and we can start in just about one minute.

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going to give it just one more minute before we get started.

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But while you wait, will you please drop in the chat, where you're zooming in from, we love to see where everyone's coming from, and it just,

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I don't know get fills me with all that people are coming from Warsaw where it's 1am and Lisbon where it's midnight.

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Thank you so much.

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Well it is exactly five o'clock so I think we're going to get started. Welcome, welcome, everyone, to centering respect trust and equity in the deal web.

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This is our November do web meetup I'm Wendy Connemara, I'm going to be your host for today. I'm also the director of partnerships at the Internet Archive.

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And one of the many, many people stewarding this community called the web.

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I am coming to you from San Francisco, California, and I want to ask you to do me a favor and drop in the name of the city where you are. Zooming in from in the chat, we love to see where people are, I see Nate in New York, and yes, I all in Warsaw and

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Savannah and Lisbon and Jenny and Oakland. Thank you so much for joining us. I know that it is very early morning for the folks in Asia, and very late in the middle of the night for those in Europe.

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So we really appreciate you making it to the spiritual meetup.

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We want to start this meetup by thinking about some of the biggest questions out there. How do we embody the values we hold dear. In this new tech world.

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I want to remind you of the principles of the web that were created by our whole community.

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We're going to drop a link to those principles in the chat. And the third principle, mutual respect. That's what our featured speaker today is going to explore how do we build a more ethical decentralized web.

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How do we build a web that's centered on respect on trust on equity.

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First I want to share with you a little bit about the game plan for this event.

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You're going to hear our featured speaker Coraline Ada MP speak about those topics.

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Then we're going to take you kind of around the world was seven lightning talks by leaders in different decentralized tech projects.

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Finally, as we always do will end up in gathered town, which is a place where you can roam around meet people, socialize it's virtual but it's as close as you can get to networking and socializing in the D web.

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By now, you're all zoom experts I know but just a few tips, please keep yourself on mute.

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It will probably be best for you if you hit speaker view. And if you have a question for our speakers will try and save a little bit of time and you can raise your hand.

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I'll try to get to as many of you as possible.

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We also want you to make yourself heard in the chat. Everybody reads the comments the observations, you will often find people answering your questions so please put those in the chat.

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And I also want to remind you of our code of conduct. This is always a lively gathering, but it has always been a respectful gathering. We do not tolerate any forms of harassment.

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If you have some please know that there are moderators standing by and you can always email us at archive.org, to let us know later about something that you wanted to raise a concern about.

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But first, it's my pleasure my honor to introduce to you, Caroline Ada empty.

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She's a leader and a pioneer in creating the contributor covenant.

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Terrific code of conduct for open source communities. She's also the leader and founder of the ethical source movement and the end of the brand new organization for ethical source, which I just learned started in January of this year.

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You may know Coraline because she also wrote the very powerful essay, the sacred geometry of respect trust and equity for the Internet Archive and the web, where she suggests a new way forward.

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We're honored to have Caroline share her insights into how to build a more ethical D web. Please welcome Coraline Ada MP.

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Whitney thank you so much for that very kind introduction and I want to say I'm very, very honored to be asked to write about that Dr principle it's something that I that's very near and dear to my heart and very near and dear to the work that I've been

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doing. And I'm also honored to be able to present here today to everyone.

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So by way of introduction as a as an opinion to win this wonderful introduction. I began my career as a software developer as a software engineer.

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I have a 27 year career in software development.

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16 years in the open source community.

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When you mentioned contributor covenant, it was actually the first and remains the most popular code of conduct for open source communities. So you could say I invented Code of Conduct markdown in 2018 I was invited to speak at the United Nations on the,

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on the topic of human rights abuses by tech corporations in 2019 I created the Hippocratic license and the Hippocratic license 3.0 just came out last last month and it's an open source license intended to protect universal principles of human rights and

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ethical source, your organization for ethical source as you mentioned was founded this year and I invite you all to go to ethical source Dev. And also, in particular ethical source depth slash principles for the ethical source principles which I was so

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pleased to see Rex you referenced as related efforts on the, on the direct principles page.

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So I'm going to jump right in. I don't have any slides, I'm just going to talk with him.

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So I'm going to start by by calling back to the open definition, the open definition which was written in 2005 reads that open means anyone can freely access use modify and share for any purpose subject and most requirements that preserve provenance and

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openness.

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And what I. One thing that strikes me about the, the open definition and the sphere that I work in the open source definition, is that they're very license focused, they're very there, they discuss legal and technical considerations, which, I think, in,

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in the world today.

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ignores the very real human context of the technologies we create in the content we create.

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In the same way that the Open Source Definition really doesn't reflect the practice experience of open source This is legal dimension. I fear that the open definition has that same kind of weakness and requires that same kind of iteration, because it

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fails to consider the widespread disparities and access and opportunity and representation. It fails to consider outcomes, asking the question how can open be used to cause harm, who is impacted.

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And fundamentally, to whom are we are extending rights.

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In short, our definition of open to date fails to acknowledge systems of power and systems of oppression.

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But I'm very happy to see over the past couple of years there's something big happening across the broader digital rights ecosystem, and the web principles are part of it.

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But the preamble to the principal say that their principles define the values of a decentralized web based on enabling agency of all peoples, and it's the basis for behavioral norms, and importantly mutual accountability.

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And in this way, it looks beyond mere openness, which is critical. And the dealer principles reflecting the evolution of our understanding of what open means, and they're part of a change we're starting to see much more broadly will come back to that.

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that. But first, let's explore the dy principle of mutual respect. Dependent principle and mutual respect is broken down into three components. The first being primarily around codes of conduct.

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The second acting out of respect for others and the third one practices and governance that pursue equity mutual trust and respect. And when I was first invited to write about this principle my fear was that I was expected to write 1500 words on a code

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of conduct. And that's not really what I wanted to do what grabbed me was those last three terms that third bullet, the pursuit of respect, mutual trust and equity, and the writing prompt I was given was, how does this principle point to us point us towards

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building better technology.

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And I realized that batteries doing a lot of work in that sentence, and it raises questions for me like, how do we define better, how do we measure better, what does it really mean and practice, and most of the questions that I tried to address my piece.

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piece. So to start with, let's look at respect, fostering a culture or mutual respect, starts with making our values and the here social contracts explicit continually reassessing their impact and evolving over time to address changes within our community

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and within the world at large.

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And this respect has is of course extended to our collaborators, and that manifests as things like codes of conduct transparent and Representative governance.

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We also focus on the needs of our users and our adopters, and that influences the ethical decisions that inform our economics and also involves our licensing, which of course is a component of open.

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But as there's a third component there's a third aspect of respect that I've been talking about recently and then this respect for collateral users in the open source world, and then the technology world in general a collateral user, we define as someone

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upon whom a technology is used often without their consent.

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Now contributor covenant when I created that that was a that was about being respectful to our within our communities.

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And recently, we had a, an issue, or rather a pull request open on the contributor covenant repository, and the author of the pull request said, being took issue with the statement, being respectful of differing opinions viewpoints experiences.

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And it claimed that respect can't be mandated, and that rather, we should focus on power it's, I think there's a huge difference between tolerance and respect.

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And so, as part of my research for the piece, I found the, I found a journal article was published in perspectives on Psychological Science just last year, and the paper was called the negative implications of being tolerated tolerance, from a targets

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perspective.

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And there were there were some really good. Some, some really salient points that were made in the paper, and it was actually sort of a meta analysis, and they indicated that mere tolerance extra has a significant negative effect on the health and well

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being of those who are being tolerated. Not just emotional health and not only physical, mental health, physical health.

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And when you think about tolerance. Think about the things you say you tolerate we tolerate things that we don't like we tolerate a headache, we tolerate a boring party, we tolerate a tedious but necessary task.

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So, tolerance is really being in spite of ourselves enduring something that we don't enjoy. And that's not what I want. I don't want to be tolerated. And to the research that I read really put words, something that I myself I have experienced as a transgender

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woman, how parents have someone who's transgender manifests is this begrudging. Fine, I'll use your pronouns, and I'll keep my opinions to myself, versus respect which says, I value you not in spite of who you are, but because of you who you are.

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And I wrote in the peace tolerance is the privilege of the powerful. It was the granting of permission to deviate from an arms of the majority, and with it comes the implicit threat that this permission can be revoked at any time.

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Tolerance centers the comfort of the majority, and asking the powerless to be tolerant is asking them to endure, their oppression.

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The second point was developed mutual trust. And I opened with a quote without trust conflict is politics with trust conflict is the pursuit of truth.

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And I explained that there are two trust metals that are recognized by social scientists, the first thing transactional and second being effective and transactional trust is very prominent in the white West in Western Europe and in North America.

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It's very transactional, this is the kind of trust that is earned by consistently delivering a result. So we might trust someone in an open source community for consistently delivering quality code, but it's important to recognize especially with the

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global scope of, of what we do, that there are other trust models and that the transactional trust model in fact is, is not universal, and then a lot of other parts of the world affected trust is, is more prevalent and effective trust is more relational,

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it's more community oriented, and I think most importantly, it's focused on what happens not what you're trying to do, and trust is a very is a very complicated complicated concept of course, and we can think about trust again in the context of of power

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and balances for power systems.

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It's necessary for us to bridge, these two different trust models, because if we only focus on track transactional trust that that lead system slippery slope toward digital colonization.

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So, what we have to do, as, as people with privilege as people with influence is earn that trust. We can't assume that simply because we have an institution, and we give ourselves authority that we will be respected were suspected, not because of our

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intent but because of our impact. And as, as I learned as part of my work in the social justice and tech movement and the 20 teams we had a saying intent is not magical.

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It's been short trust is earned, and sustained by accepting responsibility for our actions in their outcomes. Those with power, earning sustained trust who what they do.

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But those with power mis extend trust, by default, to others. By accepting and recognizing them for who they are.

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Trust in a global context requires acknowledging value in developing both kinds of trust in our communities.

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But the big word, the big important scary word is equity, and it's very difficult to kind of talk about equity but it's also, but it's actually very slippery it's very elusive concept to define and sometimes equity is mistaken for diversity and diversity

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is certainly a component but diversity is not what equity is all about diversity in fact is often used as a quantitative, rather than a qualitative metric, which opens it up to gaming, it opens it up to acts that are performative it x, it opens up.

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You know the About Us page on a corporate website and counting the number of black and brown faces, which, which really doesn't really mean anything and it doesn't.

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It's not a symbol of equity, nor is it inclusion can be simply inclusion.

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Inclusion is a sense of belonging and inclusion could be step toward equity, but even those who feel included may not experience it. Because inclusion alone ignores this power structures Norris those power and balances equity is not is also not the same

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as equality.

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Equality assumes that there's a level playing field. Equality assumes that ever want to starting from the same place with the same advantages, the same privileges and the same opportunities. Miss ignores disparate starting points disparate contacts and disparate needs. and it assumes that mere

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access is enough to create opportunities for equity. And I think this is fundamentally the Achilles heel of open.

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So if equity is not diversity it's not inclusion is not quality Then what is it, why is the shared definition so hard to come by.

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There's certainly a component of fairness for justice but who decides what is fair who decides what is just this concept from out of absolute their states by each community or each individual's worldviews and experiences.

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The definition of equity in fact maybe a perpetually moving target.

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And the fact that it's difficult for us to define equity as a society is because we've never actually had it.

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We have to understand that equity is both a process, and an outcome that the most equitable way to define equity, maybe to leave the definition to individual communities, and this requires not mere consultation, but actual empowerment consultation or

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very often wrong idea that we know what's best for you. And that sustains existing power and balances and a sustained systemic injustice, can be formed to show colonialism, and it can certainly be performative rather we have to understand who is impacted

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by our decision, who is impacted by our technology, who is open impacted by open and make sure that they are meaningfully empowered in the decisions that are made.

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In short, those with power, those with privilege must yield that power.

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What we're seeing over the past couple of years has discussions of ethics and responsibility, are taking the open world by storm. But we're seeing in the pushback is that the status quo, has an immune system systems of oppression, are dynamic and they

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constantly evolve. And I believe that open all alone will magically universally lead the Justin equitable outcomes sustains the systems, achieving better outcomes globally requires to think beyond the legal definition of open.

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We have thought beyond vanity metrics report beyond adoption to continually assess our real world impact. And we're starting to see recognition with that fact and abroad or digital commerce ecosystem.

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The Internet Archive with its do our principles that say the principles define the values based on enabling agency of all people. wikimedia launched its knowledge equity fund in response to the Black Lives Matters podcast, 2020, and that's designed to

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address systems of racial bias and inequality around the world. The Creative Commons five year strategy which I was honored to be able to collaborate with them on a consult with them on says we must expand our focus beyond copyright because content sharing

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could be undermined by exploitation and violations of non copyright norms that disproportionately impact marginalized communities and they go on to say, we know that the open sharing ecosystem is broken, and we stand ready to fix it.

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It's time for us to broaden our thinking about our work, or sense of responsibility or mechanisms for accountability. And I don't just mean accountability to our Creator communities or to our doctors or users, but accountability to our broader global

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society, respect, mutual trust and equity are interconnected values. They're not side effects of magic of open, open is not an into itself. The promise of open won't be fulfilled by our intentions, but rather by our actions, and they're real impact values

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that we merely Express but they don't influence our behavior are not really values at all their lies that we tell ourselves to avoid accountability.

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Respect trust and equity can't just be words that we speak. They must be words that we listen for words that are spoken not by those of us empower those of us with influence and those of us with privilege, but by those two who wield that power.

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Let's listen.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much Coraline.

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When you listen for the things that you're listening for. Tell me what you hear, tell me what you see and hear when you witness respect, trust, and equity,

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a sigh of relief.

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The joy on someone's face, having their struggles recognize them having their concerns and their needs prioritize and how rare now magical that can be.

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And obviously a sense of guilt over, over a society that values, some people over others.

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The Gift some people privilege at the expense of other people about the idea that things like equity and things that mutuality are a zero sum game.

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So, what I hear is, people being thankful that they're being listened to. and I see my responsibility as, really, the, the goal of the work that I do in, in, in my life, about distributing agency so I was so happy to see agency specifically called out

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and the direct principal, because I think that's what it's all about. It's about empowering people often the least powerful among us to make decisions about the things that impact themselves, their lives, their dreams their communities, their world.

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I like move asks Do you have any store examples of communities that embody these goals.

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Whenever I'm asked about, about, you know, the best open source community or the kindest or the most the most equitable open source community I always point to if me.org.

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And if me that org is a, an open source project that creates a community for the four people including myself who live with mental health challenges. And, of course, on, on a topic like mental health.

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Things like privacy and safety are paramount. And I'm always so impressed by by that community and all leaders in our community, but how they how they create that sense of safety and respect.

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Not only for their users but also for the people participate in the project, not just from a code of conduct, by being transparent about how the project is governed.

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and being very explicit about the kinds of contributions they look for and value in all forms of contributions equally. I really always hold them up as a, as just a shining example of what open source can be.

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You mentioned when in your talk that we need to get beyond the sense of vanity metrics, and I I noted that and was wondering what type of vanity metrics are you referring to.

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I'm speaking specifically in the open source world.

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The measure of success of an open source project is the number of stars you have on your GitHub repo number of followers you have on your GitHub repo, and the number of adoptions you have.

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And these were all quantitative metrics, but they don't really speak to how what you're creating is actually being used in the world about the real world impact of it.

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And I've said before that.

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We measure the things we value but we also only value the things we can measure.

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And I think that is very much a product of the meritocratic underpinnings of open source, the notion that social currency is a compensation enough.

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And I think it's really time for us to rethink those sorts of things. Rather than saying, Facebook adopted my adopted my JavaScript library. What if instead we say this me that org project uses my JavaScript library, those two things are not equivalent.

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I want to open this up to other people's questions so feel free to raise your hand and I will try and call on you or you can drop your question in the chat.

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I see that one of the architects the leaders of the movement to create the principles my issue because setting is in the house. He's coming to us I think from Japan where she's now a grad student.

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My if you want to ask a question or unmute, we welcome that.

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Meanwhile, I also want to ask you a little bit about the ethical source movement and the organization for ethical source that you're now leading, tell us about the goals the mission and the work of that group.

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I want to I want to start by by sharing something of a personal transformation that I went through a few years ago, I've been, I've been working for justice and equity in tech and, in particular, and open source for about a decade now.

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And in the early days, with the tech feminist movement of the 20 teens. There was a cohort of us who are all we had each other's, we had each other's backs, but we all had our own to the passion projects that now we are pursuing, whether it be publications

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or codes of conduct or whatever our particular area of interest and expertise was.

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And it was very much. I think that the movement, in general, failed to meet some of its goals. Because of that fact because we were all operating independently.

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And one of the principles I try to live by is to find actionable feedback, and even the most vitriolic criticism, and one criticism that one favorite critic was was very insistent upon his Coraline always works alone, and I took that to heart and in 2019

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when I saw the, the ethical crisis that open source was facing.

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I took that to heart, and I knew this was a problem that was a lot bigger than me, and it couldn't be something that was a passion project. So I built a movement, and then I built an organization.

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And today, the organization for ethical source. We have about 250 members across 17. I'm sorry 12 time zones.

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We are maybe one third to one half software developers and engineers and the rest of our community is multi disciplinary in global.

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We have ethicists we have AIDS workers we have legal professionals.

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We have social sociologists anthropologists, I think the problems that we're solving not only are bigger than one person, and not only bigger than one discipline, but bigger than one organization.

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And that's why I'm so pleased that the OVS has been able to partner with the Internet Archive with Creative Commons with these other stewards of the digital comments.

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because, you know, I recognize these problems are, are very big and these problems are very complicated. And we can't do the engineer thing that we're trying to do a lot of our careers of sitting down and solving a problem from first principles.

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I mean I think we have just time for one more question but it's a good one from Maxine.

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A lot of open source projects are run by a BDFL, a benevolent dictator for life. Would it be beneficial for open source projects to push for more democratic forms of governance.

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I'm one of the lessons that I learned through my engineering career, is that decisions should be made by the people who are most affected by the outcomes of those decisions.

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And, and part of a reflection of that is, I want to be.

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Not directive and not try to impose the values that I have on other people, but rather to go out to, to, again, distribute agency. I believe that open source projects should be representative, but there are lots of ways that representation can happen

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even with the benevolent dictator for life model.

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But if you look at a larger open source project and I'm going to pick on. I'm going to pick. I'm going to pick on chromium for your for a minute.

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We have an open source project that essentially is being exploited every 614 free labor forward Google's own ends in 2014 or 2015.

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Google decided to remove support for users user defined style sheets from the Chrome browser from the chromium browser.

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And it was a huge outcry from the contributor base because user defined style sheets are a tool that's often used by people with, with different disabilities as an accessibility tool, and the outcry from the community was met with a with a haughtiness

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and a dismissal by the Google horror team who literally said, we, we were not going to give you what you want, it doesn't make matter how much noise you make this is not a democracy.

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And I think, I think if know if we look at the scale of a project like chromium, That's where representative and transparent governance really needs to happen.

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If you have a JavaScript library with 12, with our top contributors.

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It's not as important.

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We have to understand the context we have to understand scale and make the decisions that are right for our communities within those contexts acquaint thank you so much for your work for your leadership.

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We hope that you'll stick around and join us in gathered town so people can ask you more questions directly, and please join. Learn more about corn lines organization and I hope you'll drop it in chat so people can learn Oh, certainly.

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Thank you so much, Andy. Thank you.

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Well, everyone.

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On that note, we want to now turn and take you around the world, we're going to be having seven lightning talks, some from Warsaw from Lisbon, from the metaverse.

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And here's, here's the rules you each have five minutes to present. And when you hear a quack. That means you have one minute left. And then two minutes left.

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Two quacks means you're completely out of time, even for questions. So let's get started.

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First, a woman who in this part of the world needs no introduction Jenny Ryan. She's coming to you from Oakland, she's the co founder of so many terrific nonprofits Omni Commons pseudo mesh pseudo room.

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But today, she's joining us as the project manager of this you know browser. See no meaning censorship. No, It's a project of one of my favorite organizations, equality, and some of the best, makers of tools that protect human rights in the world work

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for equality. So please, please welcome Jenny Ryan talking about her project. see no.

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Well, just to start, I think, thank you so much Wendy for that very generous introduction and it's it's nice to reconnect with the web community here and now.

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Just quickly going to make sure I'm sharing my screen properly so one moment.

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You go.

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I'm seeing the first slide.

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Yeah, as the intro. So, I mean, many of you might have met me in the context of cinema previously and peoples have been network, all sort of ongoing in kind of pandemic hiatus at the at the moment, but recently I started working for a really wonderful

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organization called a quality building decentralized tools for enabling free speech and access to information

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in in multiple concrete projects. One of them that I'm working on is called censorship no RC no browser.

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And I will dig into that further shortly, but I did have kind of a premise and in all of this.

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And forgive me for navigating back

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that rich, very much off of everything.

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Carlin's just been saying, and hard to digest, a nice trying to

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make this also a conversation about the point of decentralization and, and the promises and possibilities

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and who we take into account as we build these tools, whose voices are heard how we account for.

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Yes, security, privacy and and making sure everything is very transparent.

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Throughout the process of building and an outreach around

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onboarding people to use them.

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In the first so just to start.

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We all care about decentralization and returning to the core ideals of the internet as a distributed uncontrollable wellspring of thoughts, ideas and information.

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For those with privilege and technical abilities, I contend that the crux of your energy should be spent on sharing this fount of knowledge is accessible to everybody.

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And particularly those oppressed by actors and institutions seeking to control and regulate communication flows.

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So really,

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ideally we're building these tools informed by the people that are going to use them and the risks that they're really facing.

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And most of us are not intimately familiar with those risks, probably wouldn't be in this conversation right now, if we, if we really were.

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So there's that.

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And we really need real dedicated contributors developers, I just perspectives in front informing the design these technologies to ensure actual digital human rights.

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So I'm going to talk about one such project, senior browser, I only have a few minutes.

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And specifically, it, it is a mobile web browser, that's designed on a peer to peer functionality basis to store and share cached web content that may otherwise be blocked by by sponsors.

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So it's using decentralization as a means to deliver and share web content.

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And as a countermeasure to web censorship writ large.

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as going back and forth here.

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So, I'm the General one I want and how it works.

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Most web traffic in countries that filter the internet goes through centralized exchanges. We're all familiar with these, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon so on.

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And that makes it very easy for sensors to block requests for that content based on domains and and again these centralized servers.

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In the case of an active censorship scenario.

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This could be very commonly experienced in China.

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in Iran.

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And actually, an increasing amount of countries across the planet.

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And, and that makes it a essentially impossible just get that content using in country.

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General Mobile data that most people are, are going to be using to try to access a website.

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Right.

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So, see no is built off of

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Firefox for Android, and is a tool, an application that stores, shares caches web content and shares it peer to peer over using functionally bit torrents distributed hash table, and other ideas in the works for more local sharing opportunities.

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So, once the website is accessed by someone using senior browser that content is stored shared, and made available in this distributed cache content.

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And just a little overview what's under the hood, again, I think I've mentioned all of this, that it's built off of Firefox for Android integration of it utilizes bit turn stage T for pure sharing of content.

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And the way that library, which is an open source library that we're just really starting to get into making more available for third party applications to use to enable distributed and peer to peer sharing of web content through their applications.

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So, some links here, and happy to share after and looking forward to gather tongue conversation.

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Make sure.

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Yeah, there's

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the final slide I'll just keep that up.

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Thanks for the next city over and gathered town.

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Right. We're going to go from Oakland to Warsaw, where it is like 1am, plus in the morning. Next up, but is Al Rahman, he's the co founder of asteroids.

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He has a PhD in mathematics from for university in Berlin. I know that he helped to write some of the specs for Germans blockchain.

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And also, he's the founder of many startups, the latest of which is asteroids, which is a search engine for decentralized websites, and welcome to the D web meetup.

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Thank you very much for the introduction. I'm actually so happy to be here when I came in the middle of the night.

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But you know, that's why I have coffee for.

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Yeah, so I'm a.

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And I'm doing a project which is called the asteroids asteroids actually has a kind of three parts. One of them is the future is the vision what we want to build one of these the past what we already did.

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And one of them is present, which is what we will now, and I start with a future because it's the most exciting thing why we do it.

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At the same quite humbled to be here the two talks before me well super impressive and talks are so interested with them almost wants to listen to them more than actually to give mind awesome event.

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So asteroid is building a democratic web vest. That's the goal. We want to have an alternative to the current web, which is like a democracy. This means both the web protocol, and we also have to have democratic platforms you know imagine social media

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which is actually governed by its own users.

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And this connects to what Conan said in her first lecture in the q amp a decision should be made but if people who are most affected by these decisions.

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And obviously, it's the users of the web for the business decision and they should govern the web.

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It's fantastic to the court where people are members of the Democratic web, we are not users, and together they govern that, like you do in a democratic state.

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So there are connections and representatives and the government.

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I mean, the whole idea is to take the model of democratic state or democratic organizations and move it forward to the internet age with modernization, obviously, and with the changes that you have to do for the medium, but still keeps you know the core.

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Technically, we base it on the decentralized web and more technically we use ens and I PFS websites.

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The main thing here is with decentralization for us it's a mean to our goal.

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It's a means to an end.

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It's a tool that we use, it's not the goal.

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And we basically use the decentralized web because that's the only way that we know how to implement the democratic web.

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And the first thing that I wanted to take from this lightning talk is that if this idea of democratic web is interesting for you, come and talk to us we we have email and we have

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this code.

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We are happy for for public chairs, we are having phone call because we just started the project like half a year ago, we are, we are in the first few steps, and we want input we want people to be involved we don't want to be doing it all ourselves so

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please come and contact us if the idea of building democratic web interest, you know, this is the future.

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We are now in the present, and we cannot build this democratic web like either way, the many steps to take in between. So the question is, what did we do so far.

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And we started in April this year, and we decided to base what we do on DNS and I PFS websites. So, as an IP address technology. We call those websites D websites.

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There are many other ways.

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I mean I many other centers websites, but right now for this talk, DNS and I PFS websites will be what I mean when I say D websites.

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We identified. When we started we identified that the future judges in this D website ecosphere and one of the big one was the scope of ability, but we're already a few thousand websites.

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And like new ones kept popping up every day, but it was difficult to discover them and you couldn't keep like what is new, you couldn't see the tricks.

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So the first thing that we built and let's see if I can do my share screen smoothly. That's amazing.

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Yeah we build a search engine for the decentralized web. This search engine is actually a decentralized website itself,

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which I think is quite cool.

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It looks like you know normally search engine us is one of the things which which I think reach maturity and you can't improve on it too much or at least I don't know how to.

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And if you search for NFT, which is very trendy right now you see lots of centralized websites which do Nfd, because we are like only a few fossils websites, we are not sure if people want to find out of it we just want to see what happens.

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So we also have like tools for posing websites.

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You can see which one are you which one of the popular.

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The other thing that we did, is that there is no awareness for the decentralized website ecosphere. So we started at the Center's website of the week award.

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And if you are interesting to see what is the what are the best ways that every week, follow our Twitter and see the world.

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And then the last thing which we do, is the present.

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That's what we do now. And what do we do now is taking estimates and turning it into a democratic platform.

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Obviously I don't have any time to give details on it, but

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if this interests you come to our medium we have a few articles that we heard about it on how we do that. I posted links in the chat.

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And if it really interest you. Please come and talk to us because we want to have people involved in supposed to be a community website, our community, our this called already have 100 people more or less than they are quite active but we want more when

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have want ideas. And we want to stuff that we you know we don't want to put on stuff that we have no idea on like, how to manage your community, etc. And if you don't want to be part of it. Thank you anyway for coming and listening to me.

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It was a pleasure being here.

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I think we all want to learn more. Al. I have seen. I think people are questioning how I introduced you. I meant to say that you were a writer for, for some of Germany's blockchain specs Can you just share a little bit of light of what you did show show

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show, I finished my PhD in math in 2016 and afterwards, I had to start with consulting or kind of small projects and one of those we we were hired to write something which is called Dean specs, Dean is that the gentleman industry organization.

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It was to specs about blockchain.

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I'm not sure what is the legal status of both specs in Germany. One of them was about Dr terminology and the other was about blockchain. Notably, like time stamping with blockchain.

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I think it was 2018 and I think with like, Oh yeah, right. It was a Lincoln and I think that it's already like expired because I think the validity of those specs is for three years, but I'm not sure.

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Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you. I'll um we come back for December and have a booth so people can learn more about how to create a democratic web that we will do it.

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Thank you. Thank you. All right, I'm going to turn to another person in Europe where it's even later, Savannah Lee is the brand manager of the magisterium network and she is right now.

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I believe in Lisbon, attending the web summit.

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She must be super, super tired, but thank you so much for joining us to talk about the stereo mean I was, I was struck by something in your introduction that you say that only a quarter of the people in the world have access to free and open Internet,

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and that that's where mysterious comes in, it's an open source project creating a censorship resistant layer on the internet, kind of like tour, but with incentives.

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We you tell us more.

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Right yeah so thanks so much for that introduction and I'm really happy to be here, it is when I, when I am but I love to connect with so many people in this community new faces old ones.

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So thank you.

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So, just to correct that statistic it's one quarter of the internet users don't actually have full access to it. So, similarly to Jenny, who's working on it, anti censorship or censorship resistant kind of tool we also are doing something very similar.

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So let me just share my screen, so I can

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give you more of an idea about it.

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Can you see.

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Alright, perfect. So, like Wendy said, mysterious is an open source project by creating a censorship resistant layer, mostly tools and web infrastructure.

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So we will founded in 2017 by a small team of developers and entrepreneurs, but now we're about 50 people spread all over the world. So our first tool was actually decentralized VPN, which is powered by a peer to peer marketplace on the theory of network.

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So, this is a screenshot of Aquafina.

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It's a beautiful thing to see in live action the peer to peer nature of our tool. So providers run on node software and devices like computers or Raspberry Pi's.

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And they use the nerds to share their internet resources with each other so in our case that's residential IPS and the no network functions, similarly to Tor network, but with micro economy built in and nerds paid for the amount of traffic that they serve.

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So the marketplace is completely permission lyst anyone in the world can join Linda digital freedom to the global community and we've kind of grown this community, completely grassroots, It's been all organic which is really humbling to see.

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We have about 4000 nodes now spread around the world and a lot of the more popular regions is where that concentrated so the US, UK where there's a little more, let's say like Internet access availability, as compared to sensitive regions, so we have

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100,000 monthly active users right now connecting to these nodes and about 700 terabytes of monthly traffic flowing throughout the network and we can't do any kind of blogging because of the distributed nature of the network so compared to traditional

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VPN, we do have quite a good value proposition. Even when you just looking for an excuse me looking at use cases like streaming content.

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So this is the interface super simple app to use, and you just select a location based on where you'd like to be. And you can pay with cryptocurrency currently so you can remain anonymous, or you can pay with cash in the next week or two will be integrating

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for your options, and on the right is the node runners dashboard so anyone can sign up to the network, and you have this hub to kind of track your earnings to traffic uptime and number of connections to know.

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So why do we do this, just like most people here in the D web community primary call is digital rights and internet freedom so Freedom of Information freedom of speech of the press.

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We work really closely with communities to help them bypass online censorship and internet blackouts. For example in Nigeria, about one year ago when the answers protests are happening.

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We worked with members of the community that during that time to understand how we could help them stay safe and connected and when the government friend event social media platforms like Twitter, we were kind of working with some ambassadors on the ground

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to spread awareness and tool kits.

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So, where we are right now is will be finally launching on May night in a few weeks which we've been through many iterations and test nets and now we're finally going to be releasing the for fashion and will be growing our ecosystem we really want to

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work with builders like il said, there's so many amazing different projects in this space or working together, and so we kind of want to make our network portable, so you can plug into it, leverage the residential IP network as you need it.

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We already work with proxy services data scraping solutions even browsers and other VPN so any service that needs to make itself globally accessible and kind of wants to help expand this layer, and make it stronger.

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So always looking to collaborate with your web to web three but, yeah, please do get in touch me, so that I think we have time for one question. And that's what's the benefit of using mysterious over tour which is already trusted it's free, it doesn't

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encourage people to use hardware with non free blobs.

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I think usability is one of them. So for a lot of people to network can be quite intimidating and it's not probably as user friendly for a lot of people just getting to know censorship resistant tools.

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So we try to make it as we tried to lower the barrier to entry as much as we can for users.

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Also, it has more VPN functionality so we're integrated with open VPN and why God so we encrypt all the traffic. So we kind of enhance privacy and anonymity.

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And then on the node side, obviously the incentives are all there so you're getting paid rather than just voluntarily running a node we kind of try and create a supply and demand model, Savannah Thanks so much and I hope you'll also come back in December

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and man a booth so that people who want to get involved can can join you.

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Yeah, we'd love that. Thank you. Thanks Wendy. Thanks. Thanks so much.

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Okay, now we're going to turn toward Asia, and we're going to hear from sushi Jaan. He is the co founder of mass that I owe you know his other co founder quite well EC Lou, who leaves our Shanghai node mask, ask the simple question.

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Okay, the D web exists, but if everyone is on Facebook and Twitter.

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How can you help create privacy on those dominant platforms where people already live here to share an answer to that and his vision of mascot IO is soo Gian.

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Hello everyone here.

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I was born in Shanghai and right knowing your city for the NFP but calling from the minister's love to share our story of the mass network and especially how to potentially have the mass adoption for the decentralized web, or the next generation of web

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on the mainstream platform we use every day, namely Facebook and Twitter.

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Hello.

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Wait.

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So, from the very beginning of my career I was a generalist and also a engineer. I study and wrote a lot of the early history of the web, one point no which that time everyone seeing there was evil monopoly company called Microsoft Windows, and we also

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know that time is the internet exist. How Can everyone without leaving windows use the internet.

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Very easy solution browser in store and software on the monopolized operating system windows and double click, boom, it go to the open web, at least, much more open web compared to date.

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So I learned this story and during my traveling my working with many activists and engineers I think I'll probably all be the same thing for our, our revolution.

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Today, pretty much we are facing the same problem that most of the existing users your grandma's my my friends are stocking the mainstream platform.

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Meta Facebook or Twitter.

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And also we heard there's something called decentralized web you know Western point no we steep decentralized storage domain you know Sephora system power but there's no way to use them.

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It's really hard to, to use or adopt. How can we just how about let's just put this thing together and in ingest them on top of the Facebook today. So that's the idea of mass died, I almost didn't work.

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So this many functionality we achieved in the past few year we started seeing in which is on at speak for you.

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I'll, I'll do some real use case to show you what is capable to do any mass network. And we can also provide several case study.

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So this is my brave Walser, we see chromium browser.

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You know open source browser core is pretty much the same thing as our mainstream browser in store the mass extension on my brother and I could do this.

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I Internet Archive. And do you were in

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the centralized the web.

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I'll do this for demo purposes so it's all encrypted for everyone.

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It'll turns into gibberish now so I can turn it into stenography, so it will, it will able to able to decrypt it ultimately on my Twitter, and I'll add it.

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Okay.

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So anyone who installed the mass can can can see that I can also change the recipient is pretty much like the PGP I can add different recipient.

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For example I want metallic between the serum guy, and maybe other people I can add them in in the in the in the chat in the conversation. So this is for assumption I will achieve.

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We caught here encryption encryption. And then, if you can send over message you can also able to send over file, which is also some kind of message in fi PFS or a file coin.

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For example, let me take a screenshot here.

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So it's more screenshot.

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And we smashing store, we can do this, unified service. You can use the centralized CDN you can make it to see encrypted and just upload this thing by fun decentralized know somewhere near you, and you upload this into the decentralized storage.

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Hi again.

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And I can use image payload, so it will be automatically encrypted and.

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And this file going to show up here.

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Click the five minutes to do. Yeah. and not only this, we can also send money. So this is again me during the Lunar New Year. I send money and metallic also send money over on top of Twitter, so we can send money on Twitter, fun.

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What else can you do, like in ft right everyone like ft you know it's a digital art. What if about, you can put enough to write on top of Twitter as obviously Metallica two minute and 50 I think it's even.

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Oh, okay, slow down here. So, people sending him in ft and we put that on top of Twitter.

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What if you can, donation yeah so you can even donate on Twitter, on whatever platform you want. So, eventually, the go off mass network is trying to say, hey, people don't leave Twitter Facebook because it's impossible to, you know, move to another platform.

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How about let's see here. And we build a lot of things on top. So, math now work is the crypto and decentralized web project but also development SDK, people can do something on top.

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If you have skill, it was decentralized storage, then you can say, oh, today twitter facebook don't spoil it but I will support it for them. If you have skill for an ft in art, you can say oh I want to integrate this an FCC to them.

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And I mean your city, in the New York elected mayor, he just let things yesterday just announced he's going to take his first week paycheck in Bitcoin, and what we can do is I want to buy his tweet as an ft.

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So I I just, you know, go here and say, our making the offer for $1,000 for his tweet, as an ft. So you can do many things you can you can view this current web as the infrastructure layer do program on top.

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That's the key of mass network. And this is Rob pocket the show and ft buy and sell encrypted message and your galleries, your digital footprint but your privacy preserved manner.

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you're a PMPNFTS, and also your treats become something you can learn by yourself.

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Eventually, we went trying to trying to argue and trying to do and try to deliver is, we will be the next generation of web. The web is the value layer of the current web, and the current web, especially platforms like Twitter and Facebook is becoming

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the public utility, it's become the infrastructure, it should not capture that value that much value we with this they capture today. So let's build on top of them.

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And without even let them permit, we just, you know, do something over top be bringing the web, on top of the web to right now. Yeah, that's our go. Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you CG.

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I think this was the first project I've seen that has this approach we've seen extensions, working with web to.

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I'm just wondering if we have time for one question. You and DC work in China.

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What do you think will happen when you use mask on Weibo or Twitter.

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So the thing we tried to do is we have to be decentralize, and I think our the previous speaker, and also the audience asked a question about the BDFL right the open source with a king.

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Email opinion, I agree that we should make quick decision on the iteration of the software but I think the key. I learned from the community.

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During the activism Community Church and community and you know, you see him on a big point is, you should be headless, it should be healthier so you don't need to worry about this.

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So let's say this Vitaly buttering a Russian origin a Canadian guy, raised some money in China and mostly stay in Singapore sounds very suspicious and he's okay.

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Because if you service headless. And obviously, I think a lot of browser projects survive and doing these like innovative way for decentralized web is headless.

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So our goal is to be headless, which is, you know, you can call me founder, but I think the CEO is not a proper title for next few years, a year.

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That's hour ago and and then you can say, you can live, whatever plays you want you can be in metaverse you can be a nomad, but this thing going to robots and survive and grow itself.

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So that's, that's also our our our goal and vision. Yeah.

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everyone to that as well.

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Okay, well, from the metaverse were Soo Ji, who is not the founder, but a contributor to mask that IO is coming from. to Ottawa, Canada, where we want to bring you the words and the insights of love, sign lever.

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I know move in many different forms he, they, they are Canadian tech enthusiast with a passion for decentralization I know them as a contributor to the DAP protocol.

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You may know them as one of the main people behind the aggregate your browser. But today, move comes to us to talk about hyper the dope hyper good dough is a new set of tools that help you create peer to peer gaming.

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Using the good dough game engine. So, tell us more. Move sign waiver.

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Just get my slides up. Can you hear me okay. Sweet. Hi, so I move, I am a decentralized software consultant and today we're going to be using at look at looking at using deep web technology in video games.

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So particularly we're going to be thinking about multiplayer games. So a lot of games, help connect folks together, either through real time interactions like presence or sharing levels or even just sharing high scores.

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And so this is usually accomplished by game developers setting up a server somewhere in the cloud that does all of that logic for you.

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However, cloud bad.

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Although the social features we get from servers are nice. This comes with some downsides, particularly developers now need to maintain back end infrastructure, which means you need more specialized developers, and he needs more money to actually keep

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things working as well if servers go down or if a person's internet is spotty then suddenly the game is completely useless and they can't do anything with it.

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Similarly, If a company stops wanting to maintain these servers, say like it's some sort of FPS that you might have enjoyed for a long time. The game becomes unplayable and whatever community got built up around it really doesn't have much of a choice

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or anything, they can do about it.

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However, we can have all of the fun of online multiplayer without the downsides of the cloud, by using peer to peer software.

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So instead of connecting to a server to send stuff like your avatar, or your movement data, or anything else that you would normally use a server for it.

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you can instead connect directly to other players and exchange it with peer to peer protocols.

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So, this also means that developers don't need to put as much effort into setting up the infrastructure. And even if development stops the player base will be able to do everything that they're used to, as if nothing changed at all.

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So with that in mind, I've been working on a set of tools called hyper Godot this binds the hyper core protocol handlers used in Viagra or web browser.

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With the open source Godot game mention, so hyper court provides peer to peer data transfer API, along with a way to send a femoral messages over connections and good dough is an easy to use game engine with a really active community, and it lets people

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create user interfaces, 2d and 3d games, all without needing to buy into proprietary software licenses like unity or unreal.

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So, as well.

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We have a bunch of really high level building blocks so instead of developers having to figure out how to do everything from scratch, they can use some of these primitives from hyper Godot to explore extend one of the high level demo scenes, so they can

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do common stuff like exchanging player information.

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Sending movement data on the peer to peer network, and even stuff like using lobbies for finding games without having to have a central server to track everything.

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So that's hyper. Good job. I just wanted to give a really quick overview.

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I also wanted to quickly thank stripe studios for funding this work, and also wanted to give a big thanks to good dough and their awesome documentation and community.

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And also thanks to the folks in the aggregate or discord that helps test some of this and actually see if this peer to peer good dose stuff was actually viable.

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So if you want to learn more, I suggest you either check out the GitHub repo, and try to start a good demo project, or join us in Viagra or Discord server and ask whatever questions.

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Yeah, so hopefully we have more time for Q amp a thank you move.

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There is a question, if you're playing an FPS with a fairly large amount of movement data is this movement data all written to it and append only log.

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Yeah. So the cool thing about movement data is, there's not that much benefit from having, like you know, a history of movements. So, what we actually have in hyper Godot is an ephemeral gossip layer.

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So the idea is you connect to people in the level. Any which way or in an intelligent way. And you gossip out your movement packets across the network.

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So, if we have three people, A, B and C. A sends out of packet to be be then rebroadcasts that to see, and instead of having to track all of those downloads and all that storage.

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It just kind of spreads throughout the network, similar to how you would over the internets. So it kind of makes the load automatically spread across the network, and you don't really take a penalty for having a lot of history.

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Here's a question from Gareth does this architecture make it easier to cheat in video games if everything is run client side.

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Yeah, so the absolutely naive approach. Yes, it's super easy to cheat, because if you just trust everything that comes over that network then anyone can do whatever you want.

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However, all you really need to do is add a little bit of more validation for instance, your client can detect when somebody is like clipping through walls, and then you can collectively just banned them rather than having a server detect that and also

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do something about it. As well, this really works for maybe smaller scale things where you don't necessarily have like a global leader leaderboard where you're trying to like show off to everyone.

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This is more like you're making stuff with friends, you can get away with making stuff, easy to hack.

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But, yeah, but the real answer is, add client side validation if you want to prevent people from spoofing stuff, and the the bare minimum with that is to use encryption to actually verify that data is coming from people that are allowed to send that data.

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So well were you seeing anyone build with hyper good code, yet.

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So, we're still super new only been working for a few months and we finally have like some core primitives to build on top.

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We don't have any one using it yet, but I'm hoping to reach out to some of the peer to peer, or sorry decentralized VR communities that are also building on kudos to see if we can do some sort of partnership so that we can make peer to peer virtual worlds

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together and load them off of the web, either in good dough, or also by compiling good deal games to the web and say Africa or whatever other peer to peer browser.

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So no but hopefully, hopefully by the time we have direct camp in July we can all be playing hyper good dough in spirited.

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Thanks so much move.

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Okay, we have our down to our last two lightning talks, the next person to present is joy, joy, joy is the founder of cork. She's a designer she's an engineer.

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She's been a part of four different startups, two of which she was the founder of today though she's here to talk about cork, which is a web 3.0 browser, plus social platform that shows you pass across the internet.

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Do I take it away.

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Thank you, Wendy and Hello guys, I'm putting new to the community so I'm really excited to be here. I'm going to share my screen, and we'll get started.

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Okay, so, again, my name is Joy, and today I'll be telling you about my startup cork, which is a cross between a browser, and a social platform.

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And this is a bit strange but really with Quark we asked one question related to expanding the reach of a democratic web, which is how do we incentivize the decentralized web for online users that large, especially people who aren't familiar with the

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principles. To do that we started with interaction design and approached technology technology and policy problem from a design perspective.

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And we found that the internet today, is this entire universe with links emerging and dying off every single moment. Each of us have our own unique constellations across it.

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And our complex browsing habits, extend into web two point O web 3.0, wherever we go within that universe. So it makes no sense that we're still relying on technology based on the filing cabinet with tabs folders and files.

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So cork is the browser that shows you packs across the internet. And those paths are indexed for the people and by the people, and specifically made for explorers and the internet universe like content creators and autodidacts.

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So, with court, we wanted to transform going down the rabbit hole from something like this to an experience like this where you can see a collective map of the Internet, and we're relationships between websites are visually represented based off of recency

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frequency and popularity.

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So how would we use cork. Let's look at one example where a cork makes information more accessible to a content creator and also an autodidact doing research on sustainable trying our best to fight climate change.

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For some of us that means working on sustainability solutions such as solar lamps in and outside of work.

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There are thousands of people doing the same thing all across the world. What if there's a way to share our expertise, based on shared purpose, with the browser cork.

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there is a way.

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For example, Neil is an expert, and solar lamps, who can tux most of his research online, as he goes online, the court browser automatically organizes his online research, new is able to better track and reacts as his own resources.

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When he's done. He can share his map of resources to others in the world. So that like minded people can discover helpful information.

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Now on the other side of the world, Sally has just begun learning more about solar lamps.

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She begins using Corp to learn from tagged resource maps from experts in the field, as she explores the content, the internet path visualizations. Let her keep track of the larger picture and meet others.

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When viewing similar online websites and search results.

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She finds Neil, and he checks, along with him, discovering new resources together.

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Cork help Sally and Neil inspire each other and save energy on online searching. This is cork, the browser that shows you pass across the internet.

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So that shows you how to people could possibly use Quark.

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But uncork what's important is that the sharing and collectiveness is not forced but rather intentional. So autodidacts no longer have to start from scratch, when learning more about the D web for example or even solar lamps, and anyone can encounter

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like minded people right in the browser, as you discover the content in real time.

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You also have full control of your online constellations whether you keep it to yourself, or share it with the world.

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And to summarize the idea is to enable decentralized googling and crowdsource content indexing, all while making the browsing experience more suitable for niche content and recommendations from other users.

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And it's the right time and place to build this because 86% of Jen's ease trusted read it now, as much as Google or Amazon, and also found hundreds of thousands of users already trying to work arounds for crowdsourcing content discovery on Twitch Twitter

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obsidian Rome and other extensions and not many people are really looking at the intersection of navigation experience and serendipity serendipitous connections between different pieces of information.

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There are no available tools that let users discover share and keep track of content, all in line with the browsing experience, not to mention doing so locally or peer to peer.

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So we've had over 70 conversations and interviews with heavy internet users, all of whom have no connection to the web community, and there was a significant amount of interest for our initial interface prototypes.

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So we're really really early on, much earlier than a lot of the projects we saw before.

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So we're currently developing an MVP for a march beta release.

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Our team is pretty interdisciplinary but comes at this problem from a design perspective and we really believe that this gets big. This could make a lot of those centralized platforms of today, look really archaic, But and also less effective for finding

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what you want.

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So finally, I am curious to hear what you guys think.

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Do you think you'd use Clark.

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What do you think about the platform so far, or what you saw, we're looking for beta testers, and dives to take equity holding positions in the team, or give any feedback about it.

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Anyhow, thanks for your time and I hope to see you somewhere else on the internet universe.

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Thank you so much, Julie.

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People are asking, Is there a URL where they can try out cork.

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So right now there is an early interface, but we're updating it currently so the best way to get access to felt this interest form, and I'm pasting in the chat.

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So we're going to be showing a few people some prototypes to get feedback and hopefully develop it with input from users.

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People are saying they love the cork is kind of putting people into a virtual space across the web, a social layer across the web, that's really interesting, but does cork support people annotating web pages as part of that content that they're sharing.

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Yeah, so I've looked into a lot of nonprofit organizations doing something similar like hypothesis is actually one example. And interestingly enough like China is sort of a leader in the space with, like, messages that can be annotated by anyone using

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certain platforms, but it's all centralized.

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The idea is to enable annotation because there's a lot of a lot of benefit and insight that can be bought and just by seeing know what other people think, on a specific website.

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Great, great. so

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let's see what a cool lab to get p2p protocols into your browser, something like aggregate or will Yes, That would be so cool actually a message on Twitter.

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But I thought I would be so down for that.

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We also know that Dan Whaley, who's the founder of hypothesis and he comes to a lot of events so happy to make those kind of introductions to if you want to get deep into annotation.

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That would be amazing. Yeah, I found them and I was like, what, how was someone else already doing this. I'm really pumped will do it. Thanks so much for sharing and good luck and we hope that you find some collaborators, right here in this group.

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Thank you, Wendy, and thank you guys. Thank you. Okay, not least, but last is our next presenter Bernhard gorgeous. He's a PhD so I suppose we should call him dr Borgias coming to us from city just north of Austin, Texas.

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He is a research scientist at the Fluence project, which is a peer to peer application platform that allows you to create apps that are free of proprietary cloud providers or centralized API's.

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He has a distinguished background Bernhard was a former chief scientist at Doc, a Distinguished Engineer at IBM and now he's the research scientist at Fluence project redhead Welcome to the web.

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Thank you very much for having him.

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Thanks for everybody for being here, tough act to follow great great projects is awesome. just listening in. very nice.

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And just spend a little bit time explaining what Fluence does and how we think that with peer to peer protocols and networks we can change decentralized web narrative.

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And, from our perspective web two has been an abject failure. We have never even come close to the division and mission that's been put forward for the web.

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And the reality is actually brutal. It is, it is terrible.

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The more you look at it, the more depressed the yet censorship, not just from traditional state sponsored agency but from a large variety of corporations that use their business agreements we all sign and never read as almost as weapons to to

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it very difficult not just to onboard but actually to stay on boarded and transact. We are relying on on an oligopoly of cloud providers that have very spotty performance record.

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And as an increasingly particular edge device based.

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So socio economic cultures where even medical devices are dependent on internet transaction, those kind of brownouts that's just absolutely unacceptable.

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And then of course, nobody even talks about barely talks about anymore that data breaches are, you know, you get your $15 for your free annual protection and that's pretty much all there is to it.

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Unless of course, it gets further siloed and sold drastically. So from our perspective, we really were looking at how this can be changed from the bottom up, and Fluence has been added for several years, one of the earlier adopters, and we really feel

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that peer to peer protocols and networks can improve a lot of the issues that put these chocolates into the web to infrastructure and therefore we can start pushing into web three with a much more scalable and friendly environments that foster code reuse

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reuse because this is this as well as problems still that further mitigates access and democratizing, the use of applications because the code reuse is actually fairly minimal.

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Despite many large providers including amazon for example make an enormous amount of money value capture from open source contributions, and most of the projects actually benefit very very clearly from it.

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We also believe that security and censorship resilience can be drastically improved with peer to peer networks, and we can really shift control over resources including data back to the, to the user to the owner.

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And that's sort of where influence comes in so what flits does is we have an open source peer protocol that allows the creation of applications for you have a lot of centralized intermediaries and centralized API's.

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And the way it works is it basically the protocol is very compute based, and is represented then in the notes and the network, we have, which is totally open and permission lyst anybody can join serves as a next gen or decentralized cloud platform that

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allow us the deployment of custom services that can then be composed with a language called Aqua into decentralized application so anybody can run a node, peer to peer know that it's based on live p2p, join the network and start providing compute capabilities

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on those compute capabilities, through web assembly services can be deployed, and they can then be through a marketplace you've discovered it can be free, they can be charged for whatever it needs to be.

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And can then be composed with our language called Aqua, which is very very high level so it really abstract away from all the problems usually found find when you have to program in the pure, pure environment.

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And I probably should run an example but I didn't because at that time was tight. And it's almost it's not quite as easy as content address ability provided by I PFS but it's very close, basically upbringing of application couples instead of saying let's

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it but it's it's very similar and provide a lot of integration with a decentralized web protocols, including IP address, IP address related

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solutions such as sets a ceramic textile etc blockchains and more.

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And one of the core tenets of the Fluence network is, is the data model, the data model is a push model so unlike in the traditional client server where you make a call and get a response back you make a call you get a response back in our peer to peer

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world we have a data push models so unless the workflow seizes or there is a reason for co routine to come back to the client. All the computation is pushed out to the network, which makes for very very thin clients.

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I mean much thinner than just browsers and and edge devices. And since the majority of the 8 billion people out there do not have $5,000 MacBook Pros or 1500 dollar Apple iPhones, but run on much lower hardware thin clients are in our opinion, a huge,

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huge requirement in order to democratize and access to a lot of resources, and that we believe with peer to peer we can do.

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If I have I haven't heard the clock is, but this sort of how it looks like from, from a technology perspective there are two layers to Fluence. One is Marine, which is basically everything that needs to be done in order to to manage distributed computation.

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And all these distributed services are based on web assembly it.

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So very, very portable very very.

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Next Gen. Very relatively easy to do and, and a great alternative to your average function as a service. And then the Aqua language I mentioned before, is really a composition language that allows you to script distributed systems include peer to peer

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application and that actually goes past past the boundaries of the Fluence that work and we have integrations with I PFS for example where it can use, where you can compose compute and storage with IPS using Aqua.

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So that was sort of it in a nutshell if you want to learn more fluent stuff network GitHub it's github. com forward slash Fluence labs. We're on any of the channels discord telegram Twitter Fluence blah blah blah.

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If you want to go discord this probably where a lot of developments happening it's Fluence chat.

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And like everybody else we're hiring if you're in the decentralized web if you're interested, technology or on the operation side, shout out, and we left to talk to you.

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Anybody have any questions, and ready.

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Thank you add the double quack. Bernard, but I hope that you'll come over to join us and gather and also come back next month when you can have a booth and people can come up and find you and, and learn with thank you so much for, for joining us.

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Okay. Well that was a lot to take in, we've basically gone around the world. And I just want to say thanks and remind you that next month, we're going to do something just a little bit different.

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We're going to do a holiday fair, inspired by a trip I was, I took to Berlin where you have all these wonderful holiday booths, and each of you can have a booth and people will come up and ask you about your projects you can see if they're looking for

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jobs, looking for volunteers, and all you have to do is fill out this job form, which will drop into the chat and claim a booth and gather town, we hope, no matter what you'll come and party with us for the holidays.

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That's December, 8 at 10am Pacific.

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And finally, this is what we always do some people will stay for hours and want to send you over to our environment at gather town I don't know if you guys have ever been there when we started with gathered and there were like three engineers, they just,

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I think raised $50 million yesterday in their latest round of VC funding, but this is what it will look like, you'll be in a park, you'll have an avatar you can run around you can ask people questions, you can put a cone of silence around you in case

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you want to have a private conversation. There's lots of fun functionalities. So please, we're dropping this into the chat. The password is get the web.

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And thank you so much for being with us. We really love seeing everyone and thank you so much Caroline for your inspiring words. Okay, take care and we'll see you next month, and gather.